Q: If a transport vehicle is destroyed in the same turn as it moved flat out what happens to any embarked models? (p70) A: They are removed as casualties.
Eldar haters are just a bit too excited about this one. Allow me to elucidate.
Page 9 of the rulebook defines what a turn is. It reads, "In a complete turn, both players get a player turn, each one divided into Movement, Shooting and Assault phases..."
So that's a player turn. One person's Movement, Shooting and Assault phases.
Then it reads, "Whenever a rule uses the word 'turn', both in this rule book and in the Codexes, it means 'player turn', otherwise it will clearly state 'game turn'."
So if you move flat out in the player turn and crash yourself your passengers are destroyed.
The confusion comes from reading the FAQ without reading the original rules. This rule has always existed.
Here it is on p. 70:
"FAST TRANSPORT VEHICLES
Passengers may not embark onto or disembark from a fast vehicle if it has moved(or is going to move) flat out in that Movement phase."
The key is IN THAT MOVEMENT PHASE. You can't disembark if you move flat out in your own movement phase (not even an emergency disembarkation). Imagine it's my turn. I move flat out. If I try to ram something and wreck myself because I failed to check myself, my passengers are destroyed because they cannot disembark because I moved flat out IN THAT MOVEMENT PHASE.
Continuing my example, let's say I successfully checked myself so I didn't wreck myself. If you shoot at me in your turn, I get a cover save because the rule on page 71 says "...and has moved flat out in its LAST movement phase counts as obscured (cover save of 4+) when fired at."
Now let's say you shoot it down in your turn, I having moved flat out in my previous movement phase. My passengers are not automatically destroyed, because the restriction on disembarking only applies to my movement phase.
So that's a player turn. One person's Movement, Shooting and Assault phases.
Then it reads, "Whenever a rule uses the word 'turn', both in this rule book and in the Codexes, it means 'player turn', otherwise it will clearly state 'game turn'."
So if you move flat out in the player turn and crash yourself your passengers are destroyed.
The confusion comes from reading the FAQ without reading the original rules. This rule has always existed.
Here it is on p. 70:
"FAST TRANSPORT VEHICLES
Passengers may not embark onto or disembark from a fast vehicle if it has moved(or is going to move) flat out in that Movement phase."
The key is IN THAT MOVEMENT PHASE. You can't disembark if you move flat out in your own movement phase (not even an emergency disembarkation). Imagine it's my turn. I move flat out. If I try to ram something and wreck myself because I failed to check myself, my passengers are destroyed because they cannot disembark because I moved flat out IN THAT MOVEMENT PHASE.
Continuing my example, let's say I successfully checked myself so I didn't wreck myself. If you shoot at me in your turn, I get a cover save because the rule on page 71 says "...and has moved flat out in its LAST movement phase counts as obscured (cover save of 4+) when fired at."
Now let's say you shoot it down in your turn, I having moved flat out in my previous movement phase. My passengers are not automatically destroyed, because the restriction on disembarking only applies to my movement phase.
I hope that makes sense. Now they need to FAQ the FAQ.
You mean there are people that don't understand this?
ReplyDeleteNah, they don't need to FAQ the FAQ, they need to Punch the Stupid.
ReplyDeleteExcellent post.
It is always in your best interests to chiggedy check yourself before any possible wiggedy wreckings occur to your person.
ReplyDeleteDon't ram Land raiders with your raiders filled with incubi, check.
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